When to prune climbing rose
Question from Brigitte:
I have a climbing rose that might be anywhere from 20 to 40 years old. It has a very large winding trunk and looks similar to the lady banks rose except that it has clusters of small pink one inch flowers that bloom in the spring. My gardener recommends pruning hard in October, but your book seems to recommend pruning now, at the end of July. Could you tell me if I should be pruning now, back to the large laterals? Would I also be leaving some of the vertical green shoots for the blooms next year? It is growing on top of an arbor and can get out of hand within a year of growth. My location is in Glendale, near Pasadena.
Answer from Pat:
Before knowing how to prune your climbing rose, it would help to find out which rose it is, but as a general rule, if your climbing rose
blooms in spring and never ever at other times of year, the time to prune is after bloom (Usually in June or July) and not in winter or
you risk cutting off the buds or new wood that will bloom next year. If your rose blooms once in summer, prune after bloom has finished. Your rose could be one of several so it’s difficult for me to give you the correct information. (Why not take a photo of the plant in bloom to your local chapter of the rose society and see what they think it is?)
If the small pink flowers you describe are in masses in spring and have the shape of perfect little rosebuds before flowers open, it is most likely Climbing Cecile Brunner. I suggest you ‘Google’ that variety and compare the photos to what you have. Another you might have Paul’s Himalayan Musk. (You didn’t mention fragrance.) Both of these are fragrant Rambling Roses and can grow very large. The time to prune rambling roses is in summer after bloom. But the time to prune ever-blooming climbing roses, or those that bloom more than once a year is in winter along with other roses. So it’s pretty important to be sure of when your rose blooms and how. If your gardener reads, you can show him books or Google “How to Prune a Rambling Rose” and it will say the same. (Perhaps if you read it to him, he will understand and accept what you are saying.) It took me many years to teach this fact to my gardener. Then finally he pointed at a Lady Banks that is climbing through a hedge and said to me “That rose didn’t bloom this year.” and I replied “That’s because you cut it back in winter.” He said “Oh!” and a light went on in his head. From then on I never had a problem with that.
Yes, these one-time climbers like Cecile Brunner and Paul’s Himalayan Musk are very large. Some experts believe in cutting back only lightly but if you go with that idea the rose can take over. If you have a rambling rose, read what I suggest in my book on pruning 258 on pruning climbing roses, but basically here’s what to do: Once the rose has bloomed, in summer, prune it after bloom. Take out all dead wood. Remove any suckers arising from below the bud union. (However if your rose is on a single trunk it may be growing on its own roots and will have no suckers.) Then you can take off as much as 25% of top growth, cut back laterals that have bloomed to 2 buds, so new growth will sprout to bloom next year. It is all right also to cut out old canes that have bloomed so new canes can grow, but sounds as if your rose only has one main trunk or base cane. If fresh canes (not suckers) have already arisen from the ground or from low on the plant that have not bloomed this year, and if there is room, leave them on to bloom next year, but it is okay to confine all growth to one trunk for many years if that is what you want.
There is much information available in books and also on the Internet on how to prune a rambling rose. If I were you I would read several. They all differ, and you can pick up various ideas and choose what suits your rose best, but one thing is for sure, for once-blooming roses, summer pruning after bloom is best. Glendale is a great area for roses.
Thank you very much for all the information you have given me. I did my research, it’s a Cecile Brunner and it emerges from the ground on numerous canes (some over eight inches in diameter). My readings seem to indicate that it is extremely hardy to being cut back hard which I hope is the case because that is what I did. (I realize I may have gotten carried away after climbing down from the top of the arbor trellis. ) I look forward to all my blooms this spring. There have been years past when the top of the arbor looked like one large pink puff, absolutely stunning. Last year it was pruned in the winter.
Thank you again and also for helping us turn our little postage size backyard into a fruit yielding, vegetable growing, blooming little sanctuary.
Lovely news! Thanks for sharing!
Cecile Brunner can also be safely be pruned in winter.
Let me know how it blooms next year.
This a a little off topic, but I remember reading about a very old Lady Banks in Pasadena. Does anyone know anything about this–where it is?
On topic, I have a Lady Banks, mybe 10-12 years old that I think I only pruned once. It grows and grows and she always puts on a big show in early spring. I never mastered the art of pruning–anything.
I never heard about a huge old Lady Banks rose in Pasadena, but there are many old one’s there that have lived a good 50 plus years. I have seen a few of these, but I’m sorry I cannot point you to their specific locations since they are in private gardens. I have one 30-year-old yellow Lady Banks in my garden growing into a tree and four more that are under ten years old growing on a pergola. (Two are the yellow [R. banksiae ‘Lutea’] and two are the white variety [Rosa banksiae var. banksiae.]) The older they grow the better. The benefit of pruning after bloom is just to control the size and increase growth of more shoots that will bloom the following year.
According to Guinness Book of Records, the largest rose in the world is a white Lady Banks rose and was planted in Tombstone Arizona in 1885 and still flourishes today. (See the photo I am sending you of a post card celebrating this amazing plant.) This climbing rose is said to cover 8,000 square feet and covers the roof of an inn. It’s trunk is twelve feet in circumference. This is definitely on my list of things I would like to see before I die, if I am anywhere near Tombstone, that is.
But there is a huge very old climbing plant near Pasadena, and that is the famous Chinese wisteria in Sierra Madre. It is reputed to be the largest flowering plant in the world and covers an acre of ground. Sierra Madre celebrates a Wisteria Festival every year so thousands of people can see and enjoy this remarkable plant.
Thanks. I used to go to Tucson regularly but never got over to Tombstone.