Vegetable Garden Problems and How to Cure Them/Grow-Camp garden system
Question from Jon:
I put in a raised vegetable bed this spring. It’s called a “grow camp” which is a 20″ high box x 4′ x 8′. It has a greenhouse type system with screen netting you can pull down over the top and also plastic covering for when it gets cold. I was reading in your book that skunks, racoons, snails and rats can damage a vegetable garden, so this seemed like the ideal solution to keep then out. I also put in 1/2″ wire mesh below to keep out gophers.
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I planted cukes, summer squash & zuccini, along with lettuce, carrots, beets, radishes & kohl rhabi. Everything was going like crazy, I had baby cukes (both lemon & pickling cukes), and there were tons of squash blossoms. I had left the screen netting down over everythining to keep bugs out of it (and also bees which might have been a problem). Well one day – all of a sudden, the squash developed a kind of white power on it, and the cucumbers started to wilt. I thought maybe I was not giving enough water, so I increased my watering in the morning before the heat picked up. The squash, zuccini & cukes never recovered and they have all died without producing any fruit.
I realized that where I had placed the grow camp was under a sycamore and it was not getting full sun. I plan to move it to another area of the yard that gets full morning sun and all day sun until about 3 pm.
I was going to take some pictures to send to you, but I never got around to it.
Do you have any thoughts on what might have happened? This is my first year of vegetable gardening, so I thought of the whole thing as an experiment.
Additionally, the carrots, beets and radishes are just little tiny things. I pulled up a radish that had gone to seed and there was nothing but a tiny root on it. no radish although the tiny root tasted like a radish.
When I prepared the soil, I used mostly store bought 3 cu ft compost that you buy at Home Depot. I added bone meal and some planting mix in with the compost and also some my native soil which is mostly decomposed granite (I live on a DG pad). I also added a bag of steer manure.
Answer from Pat:
Thank you for relating this fascinating story. Grow Camp™ sounds like an interesting concept, since the netting you describe (and that I can see in the photo on the link you provided,) would keep out night-flying moths, butterflies, snails, beetles, bugs, and perhaps even slugs. Also the slick-looking sides are high enough that no pest animal prevalent in the USA could scale them. The mesh you installed under the contraption would keep out gophers.
I am glad to hear you looked upon this as an experiment. It was a good one, since it showed you several factors that need to be cleared up in order for you to have success.You didn’t say where you live, but other than that you gave me enough information that I can tell you exactly what went wrong and how to fix the problems. Instead of listing the errors I am going to list the solutions, followed by the problems. That will make the list more positive.
1.PROVIDE FULL SUN. Just as you said, you accidentally placed your Grow Camp in the shade of a sycamore. You are correct, vegetables cannot grow in shade. (Also, roots of invasive trees may eventually enter a raised bed from below and subtract all water and fertilizer making it impossible for veggies to grow.) All vegetable crops need full sun which means at least six hours of sunlight a day or more. A few vegetables can survive on five hours but not many. Full sun is best. Many people never notice the sun and shadows in their gardens until they begin trying to find some spot in full sun. Also, in winter, please be aware that the shadows of trees and houses move far to the north in winter. Some areas to the north of houses and trees that were in full sun in summer become full shade in winter. The winter sun shines under south-facing overhangs and into south facing rooms but these areas are in full shade in summer. Additionally people forget that a west facing area may have no morning sun and plants will fry in the afternoon when hot sun suddenly hits them in the middle of the day. If it must be one or the other, east facing is better for plants. So check your winter shadows and avoid putting your box where they will be since it’s fun in warm-winter climates to garden year-round. Lack of sunshine is probably the main reason your crops didn’t grow but there were other reasons too. Read-on!
2. PROTECT CROPS FROM PLANT DISEASES. Grow Camp sounds as if it does a good job keeping pests out but it cannot keep out plant diseases. The white coating that helped to kill some of your plants was powdery mildew. Additionally too much shade increases the chance that crops will succumb to mildew and other plant diseases. But besides providing full sun there are other solutions to problems with plant diseases. Next time order catalogues or go to the nursery early and read the backs of seed packages. Only purchase and plant disease-resistant crops. Cucumbers and squash are notoriously subject to mildew and downy mildew. (For controls, see my video on the subject.) It is very unfortunate that growers of transplants for sale at nurseries do not use seeds of disease-resistant hybrids because they cost more. Always grow cucumbers and squash from seeds. It’s easy to grow them this way. The seeds sprout easily and this way you can grow the best and most disease-resistant hybrid varieties and have no problems. Also be aware that the netting surrounding your crops is cutting out some breezes. Good air circulation helps prevent diseases also. (Please watch my video for how to cure mildew on melons and squash. The solutions are the same for cucumbers.)
3. ALWAYS FILL RAISED BEDS WITH GOOD QUALITY TOP SOIL. Vegetables need soil for their roots. Your carrots, beets and radishes were “tiny little things” largely because they had no soil to grow in. They can’t grow in compost alone. Compost is soil amendment, not a planting medium. Compost is partially rotted organic matter and it is meant for digging into soil in order to add certain benefits. Compost when added to soil, increases water retention in light soils such as decomposed granite, improves tilth of heavy soils such as clay, adds to the organic content of all soils, and promotes good microbial action which creates nitrogen that plant roots can absorb. It would be a good idea to read the opening pages of my book (pages 16 to 46) and get an idea of some of the facts about soil and about the requirements for healthy growth of plants. Vegetables grow very well in the ground (If it’s in full sun) and a raised bed is like a terrace, it is not like a plant-container or a a pot. Never fill raised beds with potting soil because it drains too fast. Even more importantly never fill raised beds with compost or bagged soil amendment because when used alone it drains even faster than potting soil and it cannot retain nutrients. Compost is designed only for mixing into soil, not for being use as a growing medium. A couple of years ago I gave a talk on winter vegetables and a dear woman came up to me during the intermission and told me that she didn’t know what had gone wrong with her vegetables. She built a raised bed, filled it with soil amendment and planted vegetables. She fertilized them and water faithfully and they grew fine for six weeks or two months and then they all died. It was because she did what you did and planted in soil amendment.
4. FERTILIZE VEGETABLES WITH ORGANIC FERTILIZER RECOMMENDED FOR VEGETABLES ACCORDING TO PACKAGE DIRECTIONS (OR FEED WITH AGED CHICKEN MANURE OR SEABIRD GUANO.) Vegetables not only need sun, soil, soil amendment, and protection from pests and diseases, they also need food. Your method of fertilizing with bone meal and manure sounds a bit hit-or miss, but might have worked okay if you’d had grown the plants in soil instead of bagged compost and planting mix. (Whether or not it was from Dixieline doesn’t matter much. The package directions should have said it was for digging into the ground not a substitute for ground.)
5. IRRIGATE VEGETABLES REGULARLY WITH AN INCH OR AN INCH AND A HALF OF WATER EVERY WEEK. I doubt very much you were overwatering as you thought. More likely the plants could not access the water you gave them because the planting medium was too loose and thus the roots were surrounded by too much air. Lack of air in the soil can kill plant roots but too much air in the planting medium will dry out root and make it impossible for them to take in nutrients.
Adding some decomposed granite would have been fine if instead of adding it you simply filled the entire bed with it and then mixed in a few bags of compost. You simply did it the wrong way around. Decomposed granite is one of the best garden or agricultural soils in the world. It drains very rapidly however, so it needs amending to make it more water retentive, but if you add organic matter to it and also irrigate adequately, all you need to add is a good source of nitrogen such as bean or alfalfa meal that rots easily and you can grow anything in it. Decomposed granite contains phosphorus and potassium. The kind of decomposed granite they have in Claremont California (the college town inland from Pasadena in the San Gabriel Valley) is so amazing that you can even grow geraniums and houseplants in pots filled with it. You couldn’t do that with most garden soils. (Claremont sits on an alluvial fan of soil washed down into the valley from Old Baldy, a granite mountain at the foot of which stands the town.)
You are so awesome. Will you marry me?? Your responses are really so great and informative. Thank you so much for the information.
I am going to do exactly what you said and I will give you a follow up email next time I plant. I have a pile of soil out back from when I deconstructed my lawn. There is a lot of decomposed granite in the pile, along with the old sod and a bunch of roots and topsoil. Do you think if I clean that up – get rid of the root material and old sod – and use it as my “soil” and then amend it with the remaining compost from the grow camp – adding blood meal and bone meal that it will be acceptable in the grow camp? Or should I use the DG from around the property instead as my “soil”? I live in an area that was once a ravine – or crotch in the hillside. When they built the house in 1978, the filled the area and created the building pad with DG as a stabilized pad, so most -if not all – of the area surrounding the house is DG.
I also purchased (for the grow camp) some trays that sit on top that allow you to germinate seeds on the top part (under the mesh and the plastic) and then transplant them to the growing area below once they are mature enough. I’m going to try that next year with some heirloom tomatoes, cucumbers, squash and other things. The tomatoes will go in the ground next to the grow camp as I think they will grow too big inside of it. I will properly cage them also. I will also seek out the seeds of which you spoke that are disease resistant. Do you have a source where you purchase your seeds? I live in La Mesa – East County (Mount Helix area on the west side of the hill).
You may recall I sent you an email question earlier in the year about avocado trees. I eventually planted a Hass 24″ box on the hillside with good drainage & irrigation, and also a 15 gallon Fuerte – so I got the A and B pollinators close to each other based on your recommendations. I bought some Fuerte Avocados at the farmers market and they were delicious, so I went ahead with that choice. The trees are thriving and sending out new growth every week. I’m hoping to have a crop next year. I water them 2x a week for 30 minutes. I will back that off to 1x a week in the fall. I used Gypsum and a layer of compost on the top, but I’m not fertilizing them until maybe 1-2 years of being planted.
Again, thank you for your time and most interesting response. I just love what you do.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Well I actually wasn’t thinking of marriage, but thank you so much for asking. You sent me to bed laughing. I was working late and your email arrived late. It really made me laugh. Here I’m telling this guy how much manure to add to his bed and that is a different kind of bed altogether. Usually when fellows propose to me over the Internet it turns out they are married. So say HI to your wife, if you have one, whom I take it is not a gardener. Also, it’s better for you that way. I found it more fun doing the gardening myself and then my husband didn’t tell me what to do. I made all the decisions in the garden and he just ooooed and aaaahed at the results. He was hugely appreciative of my skills.
It is amazing what an attraction gardening is. Back in the days when I had my own show on Channel 7/39 (yes, NBC not KPBS) I used to get love letters with stickers on them. Hearts and such. I had to hide them from my jealous Hungarian lover—my husband, who was never a gardener. He was an urbane, delightful and charming guy who spoke fluent French. It was his hobby. He was a lawyer and judge. I don’t think many lawyers are gardeners. We had great times together walking, swimming, and traveling and just plain life, but not in the gardening field. He was more the type who played the lead in a nineteen thirties comedy in which champagne flows and flocks of gardeners do the work, not to mention maids to clear away the glasses. But once when my TV crew came to pick me up for a trip to Catalina to show the plants there, he threw out his arms and said “NO! You can’t have her!” It was very funny but afterwards my producer said, “Pat, how can you stand it?” Because he loved me, that’s why.
Lou died enough years ago now that I can at last write the book that my agent has begged me to write ever since he died. At that time I said “I’m too grief stricken to write a book about grief.” Now I am writing a book largely about our life together and about loss and how to deal with it, but it is not a sad book. I am deep in the midst of it, working many hours a day on it, and my publisher is already studying the proposal which included ten finished chapters. I must soldier on through the middle of it now—always the hardest part.
Re: Varieties: People are always asking me to tell them good ones. I try to put the names of recommended varieties in my handouts but varieties change often. Plant breeders continually come up with new ones. I love ordering catalogues, a bunch of them and poring over them to see what’s good. I think of that as part of the joy of gardening and encourage gardeners to make their own discoveries this way. It is a deep pleasure that I have enjoyed since childhood when my stepfather Geoffrey Morris first told my brother and me that he was going to give us our own plots to grow things in the following spring. (He told us this at Christmas. We were living on a farm in Pennsylvania during the war, just after emigrating from England to the USA.)
So send for catalogues right now: Burpees, the Cooks Garden, Park Seed Company (very good for disease-resistant varieties), Johnny’s Selected Seeds, and Peaceful Valley Farm Supply for great supplies as well as seeds. Kick up your feet in the shade and have fun. Don’t buy too many! Just put stickers on the pages and make choices. I will ask my daughter for the name of an excellent Sugar Snap type pea she grew last year. It was super.
Secondly: your soil, the best thing you could do, if money is no object is to fill it with a good grade of trucked top soil. Phone some local companies, such as Triple A soils and see what you can find. Ask if they have a top soil for terraces and veggie raised beds that has no nematodes. Your soil sounds very good but since you’ve had one false start, I’d hate for you to have another. Glad the avos. worked out. I remembered your name but not the subject or where you lived. I get so many letters I forget who is who.
Yes go ahead and grow your tall crops in the ground (though gophers will be a problem) or in another raised bed you build yourself and use your own garden soil in that one. Then amend and fertilize it. Surround your crops with an electric fence at night against the marauding animals. There is a company making one for gardens.
The seed sprouting gadget sounds okay for tomatoes and cole crops from seeds, but other than that it’s easier to plant seeds straight in the ground where you want them to grow. Root crops, for example, can’t be transplanted. You can purchase transplants of cole crops in September however and I would plant those instead of growing them from seeds, which takes ever so much longer in the case of cole crops and is a bit trickier to do and means starting now or earlier with seeds for October planting of your transplants.
Please note my speaking engagements this fall and perhaps try to attend one of those on Winter Vegetables. I will be speaking at the San Diego Botanic Garden (used to be called Quail) in Encinitas on September 4. I have great slides.