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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://patwelsh.com/wpmu/blog/soils/never-add-clay-to-sand-or-sand-to-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your amusing comment. I just returned from a trip through New Mexico and Arizona where the walls and buttresses of churches that have stood for hundreds of years are built of clay, sand, and straw.  In order to keep these sun-baked buildings standing to this very day, dedicated locals apply a layer of this muddy mix (sand, clay, and straw) to the exterior walls annually. While in Taos, New Mexico, I saw a video of Maria Martinez gathering clay and then mixing into it about 20% of volcanic-based sand before shaping it into pots and firing it in an outdoor open fire of dry cow pats to create her distinctive black Santa Clara pueblo pottery. I guess my heading should have been: &quot;Be Sure to Mix Sand into Your Clay Soil if Your Aim is to Make Pottery or Adobe Bricks Instead of Growing Vegetables and Flowers.&quot; Do you think that would finally teach people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your amusing comment. I just returned from a trip through New Mexico and Arizona where the walls and buttresses of churches that have stood for hundreds of years are built of clay, sand, and straw.  In order to keep these sun-baked buildings standing to this very day, dedicated locals apply a layer of this muddy mix (sand, clay, and straw) to the exterior walls annually. While in Taos, New Mexico, I saw a video of Maria Martinez gathering clay and then mixing into it about 20% of volcanic-based sand before shaping it into pots and firing it in an outdoor open fire of dry cow pats to create her distinctive black Santa Clara pueblo pottery. I guess my heading should have been: &#8220;Be Sure to Mix Sand into Your Clay Soil if Your Aim is to Make Pottery or Adobe Bricks Instead of Growing Vegetables and Flowers.&#8221; Do you think that would finally teach people?</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is funny since there is a book called &#039;Build Your Own Earth Oven&#039; by Kiko Denzer that specifies mixing sand and clay or clay, sand and manure/sawdust, to make a clay oven for baking artisan breads, pizzas and other good things.  The mixture of clay and sand - hard as &#039;brick&#039; for an oven that lasts and holds together with a large baking area inside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is funny since there is a book called &#8216;Build Your Own Earth Oven&#8217; by Kiko Denzer that specifies mixing sand and clay or clay, sand and manure/sawdust, to make a clay oven for baking artisan breads, pizzas and other good things.  The mixture of clay and sand &#8211; hard as &#8216;brick&#8217; for an oven that lasts and holds together with a large baking area inside.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 16:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ben:

Once you select the product of interest you&#039;ll see the prices.  Shipping and taxes are then calculated based on the products you order and the ship to address.

Please contact us with any additional questions!
-Pat Welsh Gardening</description>
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<p>Once you select the product of interest you&#8217;ll see the prices.  Shipping and taxes are then calculated based on the products you order and the ship to address.</p>
<p>Please contact us with any additional questions!<br />
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		<title>By: BEN COLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BEN COLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 05:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Ben Cole,I want to order some CLAY SAND,that you have in your shop.I want you to get back to me with the price including taxes and I want to know do you accept Credit cards as your payment.Hope to hear from you soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Ben Cole,I want to order some CLAY SAND,that you have in your shop.I want you to get back to me with the price including taxes and I want to know do you accept Credit cards as your payment.Hope to hear from you soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points all around. Truly aprpaecited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points all around. Truly aprpaecited.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://patwelsh.com/wpmu/blog/soils/never-add-clay-to-sand-or-sand-to-clay/comment-page-1/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your question and for the work you are doing with kids. I think it&#039;s a great idea to replicate experiments that were done years ago by the UC Extension and Department of Agriculture in California. These experiments could be done in 1-gallon nursery cans, I would think, though the University of California might have used larger containers. I am not sure. Presumably one could mix various measured percentages of sand with clay and then fill the nursery cans to about 2 inches from the top with the mixtures and subsequently apply measured amounts of water to the soil in the cans and then measure how much comes out the bottom of the cans and at what rate.

The important thing to impress on the kids is that in a garden it would be impossible to add an equal amount of sand to clay. In a practical example, years ago I knew of a garden in Fallbrook California where the soil was heavy clay. Instead of adding organics to improve his soil, the gardener added wheelbarrows full of sand to the clay because an English garden book gave that advice. He kept adding more sand every year to a long flower bed filled with perennials. Eventually the soil was so ruined that drainage was nil and many plants died from root rot. 

To answer your question: There are a couple of ways that organic materials can be added to existing lawns. One way is to rent an aereating machine that goes all over the lawn and makes round holes in it. The next step is to rake up and throw away or compost the plugs that the machine pulls out of the lawn. After that spread ground bark onto the lawn and rake it into the holes. Follow up by fertilizing and watering the lawn. The best time to do this job is fall. September or October would be ideal. This will help increase drainage.

Please note that while answering the first gardener who wrote to me on this subject I recommended adding soluble gypsum to help break up clay soil. When clay soil fails to drain due to its alkalinity, applying gypsum according to package directions can aid drainage. One can mix it with the ground bark recommended above and rake it into the holes along with the bark or apply it separately once or twice a year on top of the ground and water it in.

Another idea for adding organics to lawns is to top the lawn with dry cow manure in fall or early spring. Back in the years when I had a lawn I did this job every fall but my lawn was growing on sandy soil, so it was okay. First I would cut the lawn short, then top with manure and follow up with water and the grass soon bounced back greener than before. The problem with using this technique on clay soil is that bagged cow manure is often salty and clay soil can retain salts. A better way is to use any fine-textured mulch recommended for topping lawns. By topping the lawn annually or bi-annually in spring and fall you can gradually add to the organic structure of the soil under a lawn, but not as much as if you aereated first and then raked the organics into the holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your question and for the work you are doing with kids. I think it&#8217;s a great idea to replicate experiments that were done years ago by the UC Extension and Department of Agriculture in California. These experiments could be done in 1-gallon nursery cans, I would think, though the University of California might have used larger containers. I am not sure. Presumably one could mix various measured percentages of sand with clay and then fill the nursery cans to about 2 inches from the top with the mixtures and subsequently apply measured amounts of water to the soil in the cans and then measure how much comes out the bottom of the cans and at what rate.</p>
<p>The important thing to impress on the kids is that in a garden it would be impossible to add an equal amount of sand to clay. In a practical example, years ago I knew of a garden in Fallbrook California where the soil was heavy clay. Instead of adding organics to improve his soil, the gardener added wheelbarrows full of sand to the clay because an English garden book gave that advice. He kept adding more sand every year to a long flower bed filled with perennials. Eventually the soil was so ruined that drainage was nil and many plants died from root rot. </p>
<p>To answer your question: There are a couple of ways that organic materials can be added to existing lawns. One way is to rent an aereating machine that goes all over the lawn and makes round holes in it. The next step is to rake up and throw away or compost the plugs that the machine pulls out of the lawn. After that spread ground bark onto the lawn and rake it into the holes. Follow up by fertilizing and watering the lawn. The best time to do this job is fall. September or October would be ideal. This will help increase drainage.</p>
<p>Please note that while answering the first gardener who wrote to me on this subject I recommended adding soluble gypsum to help break up clay soil. When clay soil fails to drain due to its alkalinity, applying gypsum according to package directions can aid drainage. One can mix it with the ground bark recommended above and rake it into the holes along with the bark or apply it separately once or twice a year on top of the ground and water it in.</p>
<p>Another idea for adding organics to lawns is to top the lawn with dry cow manure in fall or early spring. Back in the years when I had a lawn I did this job every fall but my lawn was growing on sandy soil, so it was okay. First I would cut the lawn short, then top with manure and follow up with water and the grass soon bounced back greener than before. The problem with using this technique on clay soil is that bagged cow manure is often salty and clay soil can retain salts. A better way is to use any fine-textured mulch recommended for topping lawns. By topping the lawn annually or bi-annually in spring and fall you can gradually add to the organic structure of the soil under a lawn, but not as much as if you aereated first and then raked the organics into the holes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tonya M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonya M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so pleased to find your blog.  I am researching for a science activity with 3-6th graders, and this is exactly the information I was looking for.  We will actually be doing exactly what you advise NOT to do, but the purpose is to show why taking our clay soil in Texas and mixing in sand would actually be detrimental to the soil.  

However, I would like to give them something to think about as positive alternatives for soil enrichment that can be done in their yards.  Many of us have yards that are likely placed over thick, compacted layers of clay.  (I can tell by the runoff when the sprinklers run in our neighborhood.) How do we add organics to the yard without tearing up the grass that is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so pleased to find your blog.  I am researching for a science activity with 3-6th graders, and this is exactly the information I was looking for.  We will actually be doing exactly what you advise NOT to do, but the purpose is to show why taking our clay soil in Texas and mixing in sand would actually be detrimental to the soil.  </p>
<p>However, I would like to give them something to think about as positive alternatives for soil enrichment that can be done in their yards.  Many of us have yards that are likely placed over thick, compacted layers of clay.  (I can tell by the runoff when the sprinklers run in our neighborhood.) How do we add organics to the yard without tearing up the grass that is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God you did not add sand to your clay soil! I am certainly glad you looked at my blog first. Adding sand to clay soil or clay to sand results in something akin to concrete, stopping drainage completely and the problem can never be fixed. I once knew someone who did this to his perennial flower beds and drainage became ever worse as he added more sand annually. Eventually the guy, an avid gardener, died so I never heard what happened to that garden later. The opening chapter in my current organic book, and also the (conventional gardening) edition published in year 2000 and now out of print and out of date also, but still obtainable on the Internet, explain soil problems and solutions more fully. These books go into soil problems and drainage problems in detail. But it&#039;s best now to be an organic gardener, so if you spring for one of these books, buy the current organic one. 

Clay soil is nutritious. Plants will grow in it, but you are right a raised bed can be a great help when first planting. Luckily it does not need to be very high. For a deciduous fruit tree you could build a raised bed that measures 5x5 and is at least 4 inches high and fill it with a good grade of top soil.
What is important here however is that you must dig up the clay beneath the raised bed to about a foot deep and mix gypsum into that and also mix some of your top soil into the top layer of the native soil below the raised bed. This is so you do not create a hard horizon between two soils which will stop roots from penetrating. 

If you create a hard horizon between friable soil above and hard clay below you are making hardpan, which happens when builders in housing schemes throw a layer of top soil on top of bulldozed ground. Plant roots tend to stay up in the top layer and never penetrate the lower layer, and then the hard lower layer stops drainage. This is a genuine problem for many gardeners in new homes. 

Despite having explained the system above which will help prevent rotting roots in clay soil by use of a raised bed, my belief is that you can garden in clay soil and plant straight into it, just as it is since I have seen it done many times. The surprising thing is once you begin digging into clay soil and mulching the top of it, eventually the very act of gardening in it and the roots getting into it will help break it up and plants will grow. Clay is minerally rich and plants will often thrive in it better than poor sandy soils that drain well but do not retain nutrients.
The wrong thing to do is to dig planting holes and fill them with organic soil amendment since that creates pockets of soggy ground that fill up with water and rot roots. Also roots will think they are in a container and go around and around inside the amended plant hole and never get out into the surrounding soil.

Many scientific experiments have been done to show that the best way to deal with clay soil is to plant directly into the native soil, though plant a little high, and then continually mulch the top of it. The roots of plants have to get out there eventually so the sooner the better. Rough up the sides of planting holes, instead of making a smooth hard edge. Even clean unsalty horse manure can help break up clay when laid on top like mulch before the rains, but I strongly emphasize must not be salty. Manure brings earthworms and they also help break up the ground and make it drain. (When using horse manure, be sure your tetanus booster is up to date.) 

One important factor is that if the clay is compacted due to alkalinity, adding gypsum can aid in breaking it up and making it drain, but you should add the gypsum every two years and a half-coffee can full of it dug into the bottom of every planting hole. Gypsum will not correct drainage problems caused by compaction from walking on the ground or heavy equipment but it will greatly help soil to drain when the compaction is caused by alkalinity. 

I have known a few gardeners who have hauled away truckloads of pure sandy or clay soil in gardens built on sand or clay and replaced with top soil but this is not necessary and is very expensive. (Again, one must be sure not to create a hardpan layer beneath the top soil. More details on all this are in my book.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God you did not add sand to your clay soil! I am certainly glad you looked at my blog first. Adding sand to clay soil or clay to sand results in something akin to concrete, stopping drainage completely and the problem can never be fixed. I once knew someone who did this to his perennial flower beds and drainage became ever worse as he added more sand annually. Eventually the guy, an avid gardener, died so I never heard what happened to that garden later. The opening chapter in my current organic book, and also the (conventional gardening) edition published in year 2000 and now out of print and out of date also, but still obtainable on the Internet, explain soil problems and solutions more fully. These books go into soil problems and drainage problems in detail. But it&#8217;s best now to be an organic gardener, so if you spring for one of these books, buy the current organic one. </p>
<p>Clay soil is nutritious. Plants will grow in it, but you are right a raised bed can be a great help when first planting. Luckily it does not need to be very high. For a deciduous fruit tree you could build a raised bed that measures 5&#215;5 and is at least 4 inches high and fill it with a good grade of top soil.<br />
What is important here however is that you must dig up the clay beneath the raised bed to about a foot deep and mix gypsum into that and also mix some of your top soil into the top layer of the native soil below the raised bed. This is so you do not create a hard horizon between two soils which will stop roots from penetrating. </p>
<p>If you create a hard horizon between friable soil above and hard clay below you are making hardpan, which happens when builders in housing schemes throw a layer of top soil on top of bulldozed ground. Plant roots tend to stay up in the top layer and never penetrate the lower layer, and then the hard lower layer stops drainage. This is a genuine problem for many gardeners in new homes. </p>
<p>Despite having explained the system above which will help prevent rotting roots in clay soil by use of a raised bed, my belief is that you can garden in clay soil and plant straight into it, just as it is since I have seen it done many times. The surprising thing is once you begin digging into clay soil and mulching the top of it, eventually the very act of gardening in it and the roots getting into it will help break it up and plants will grow. Clay is minerally rich and plants will often thrive in it better than poor sandy soils that drain well but do not retain nutrients.<br />
The wrong thing to do is to dig planting holes and fill them with organic soil amendment since that creates pockets of soggy ground that fill up with water and rot roots. Also roots will think they are in a container and go around and around inside the amended plant hole and never get out into the surrounding soil.</p>
<p>Many scientific experiments have been done to show that the best way to deal with clay soil is to plant directly into the native soil, though plant a little high, and then continually mulch the top of it. The roots of plants have to get out there eventually so the sooner the better. Rough up the sides of planting holes, instead of making a smooth hard edge. Even clean unsalty horse manure can help break up clay when laid on top like mulch before the rains, but I strongly emphasize must not be salty. Manure brings earthworms and they also help break up the ground and make it drain. (When using horse manure, be sure your tetanus booster is up to date.) </p>
<p>One important factor is that if the clay is compacted due to alkalinity, adding gypsum can aid in breaking it up and making it drain, but you should add the gypsum every two years and a half-coffee can full of it dug into the bottom of every planting hole. Gypsum will not correct drainage problems caused by compaction from walking on the ground or heavy equipment but it will greatly help soil to drain when the compaction is caused by alkalinity. </p>
<p>I have known a few gardeners who have hauled away truckloads of pure sandy or clay soil in gardens built on sand or clay and replaced with top soil but this is not necessary and is very expensive. (Again, one must be sure not to create a hardpan layer beneath the top soil. More details on all this are in my book.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 08:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I have been searching for a solution to gardening in clay soil since last year when I moved to Arlington, Texas.  Almost everything says to add sand to amend the clay.  I am wanting to plant a couple of fruit trees and had I not found your article I would have used sand (in fact I was already figuring out how many bags I needed).  I am planning on putting my trees(miniature peach and apple grafted onto M-111)in a raised bed.  Do you have any recommendations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I have been searching for a solution to gardening in clay soil since last year when I moved to Arlington, Texas.  Almost everything says to add sand to amend the clay.  I am wanting to plant a couple of fruit trees and had I not found your article I would have used sand (in fact I was already figuring out how many bags I needed).  I am planning on putting my trees(miniature peach and apple grafted onto M-111)in a raised bed.  Do you have any recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Sliger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb Sliger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Thanks very much for this information. A local man here in montpelier vermont named Ray Hickory stated that I needed to buy a truckload of sand to add to my yard&#039;s soil because of the clay soil conditions, he told me. I didn&#039;t go along with his trucking in sand because he was not willing to write up an estimate for a job here (a bulkhead) and also I wondered about the safety of importing sand -- how does one know what&#039;s in it, for example. But I did not know that the effect of adding sand to clay soil makes for diminished drainage (cement). I wonder who else this Hickory guy has given such poor &quot;information&quot; to.  He&#039;s been in bizniz around here for a long time, so I can&#039;t help wondering if he doesn&#039;t know better about trucking in sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Thanks very much for this information. A local man here in montpelier vermont named Ray Hickory stated that I needed to buy a truckload of sand to add to my yard&#8217;s soil because of the clay soil conditions, he told me. I didn&#8217;t go along with his trucking in sand because he was not willing to write up an estimate for a job here (a bulkhead) and also I wondered about the safety of importing sand &#8212; how does one know what&#8217;s in it, for example. But I did not know that the effect of adding sand to clay soil makes for diminished drainage (cement). I wonder who else this Hickory guy has given such poor &#8220;information&#8221; to.  He&#8217;s been in bizniz around here for a long time, so I can&#8217;t help wondering if he doesn&#8217;t know better about trucking in sand.</p>
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